Mattie's Grandfather

Who was Mattie's grandfather? We know very little about his grandfather. His grandmother is mentioned in the Joe Young story as related by J.P. Howley. See the Howley Webpage.
"Mathew (Mathy) Mitchel, grandson(?) of the woman Joe heard the story from, confirmed it in so far as, that his grandparents did see a Beothuck wigwam at Red Indian Lake and went to investigate......"
And later Howley's account of
" One Jacky Jones, ..... He refers to the story told by Joe Young, and believes there may be some truth in it. He was well acquainted with both Jack Mitchell, Micmac, and his wife. He often heard old Jack talk some sort of gibberish which he called Red Indian."
appears to establish that Mattie's grandmother (?) was the wife of Jack Mitchell.

It is curious though that Howley inserted a ? after grandson. It's as if he doubted the accuracy of the statement. The Joe Young story is a little confusing in that it has the old woman teling the story as a child. But in the story he refers to her father as "Old Mitchel.
"...They found a wigwam which proved not to be that of a Micmac but of a Red Indian family. Nothing daunted Old Mitchel went forward,.."
He also refers to her
" In younger days there lived in the same neighborhood an old Indian woman named Mitchel whose parents were Mountagnais from Labrador."

Thus it appears that as a child she was a Montagnais named Mitchel whose parents came from Labrador and she married a Jack Mitchell, Micmac, later in life. That would be quite a coincidence.

Another explanation is that the old woman was not Mattie's grandmother but his aunt. Because Howley quoted Mattie as saying
"..that his grandparents did see a Beothuck wigwam at Red Indian Lake and went to investigate......"
If the old woman was his grandmother then it would have been his great-grandparents who went to investigate. So maybe it was his aunt and father (or uncle) who were the two children in the story. But this would still leave us with a Mitchel child who grows up to marry a Jack Mitchell, Micmac. It also leaves us with Joe Young then saying Mattie's paternal grand-parents were Montagnais from Labrador.

A third explanation is that Joe who knew the old woman as Mrs. Mitchel just made a mistake in referring to her father as "Old Mitchel" because he didn't know her maiden name. This then could make Jack Mitchell and his wife Mattie's parents and the grandparents Mathie referred to when he recounted his version of the story to Howley were his maternal grandparents. This would square the circle so to speak.

If this version is correct, then we don't have a firstname for Mattie's paternal grandfather. The next question is did we run across Mattie's grandfather before and not know it. Well a potential candidate is in reference 1) below, Captain Mitchell. So let's update Suppositon 2 to reflect this and it becomes Supposition 3.

                               Supposition 3
1. Captain Jock Mitchell b. abt 1754 m. 2. Captain Mitchell b. abt 1784 m. 3. Roi Michel Agathe (King Mitchell) b. abt 1814 m. abt 1834 (Marie) Louise ?? 4. Pierre b. 1835 d. 1848 buried 4 jul 1848 St. Pierre 4. Marie b. 1840 d. 1855 buried 3 aug 1855 Sandy Point 4. Mathieu Michel b. 1844 d. 1921 m.1879 Marie Anne Webb b. abt 1860 d. bef 1921 3. Noel (Michel) Agathe b. abt 1820 m. 4. Christopher Michel Agathe b. abt 1837 d.?? m. 22 jan 1862 Marie Webb b. 1835-40? d. ??

Why is this supposition possible. One is because Bay Chaleur where Mattie believed his father came from is situated between Gaultois, where Noall met Captain Mitchell, and White-Bear Bay where Noall said the Captain was from. Noall said Captain Mitchell was a very tall man, well so was Mattie, well over 6ft. by family folklore. Also if our 30 years per generation is correct this would have made Noall's Captain about 43 when they met. A good age for a chief in his prime. It would also make him a good candidate for the second reference. Captain Mitchell would be 61 in 1845, an age when if spent living in the outdoors can cause one to age prematurely. ( Cormack noted in Howley's "The Beothuks" when speaking about the Indians he met, "Most of the Indians, when they would otherwise be in the prime of life, have broken constitutions by over-exertions, casualties, and exposure to weather.")

But one might say that reference 2) below refers to "King Mitchell" not to Captain Mitchell. Well is it not possible he referred to himself as Captain Mitchell while younger but when he subsequently moved to the Bay St. George area he took on or was given the title of "King". Noall says he was a chief.

Again I will stop speculating at this point and welcome comments from any other researcher and proceed to the next webpage and Mattie's great-grandfather.

Literature references:

1) 1827 Methodist missionary, Noall, reported meeting a "Captain Mitchell" at a place called Gaultois,.."the Chief of the gang of [Micmac] Indians from White-Bear-Bay....He was a tall man, and looked very savage if provoked. He addressed me in the most vociferating language, and gave me to understand that he considered himself a Catholic. ..would open up a religious intercourse between much greater numbers at White-Bear.." Noall deduced he had been to London England, St. John's and Halifax.
Ref: Newfoundland, As It Was, And Is In 1877 by Philip Toque 1878: John B. Magurr, Toronto. p.200. from C.A. Martijn letter May 1, 1995.

2) 1845 call in at Bay St. George where 60 [Micmacs] reside... I found two old men pretending to considerable influence over all the Indians in NF. One calling himself "King Mitchell" the other "Noel Gougond"... ref: Where the sand Blows, p.69.
Ref: 1845 letter from J. Pott to Sir John Harvey, 26 October. Provincial Archives of NF & Labrador, GN2/2 ff 470-77.

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